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date: Tue Feb 1 08:46:30 2005
from: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: RE: DEGREES OF FREEDOM
to: "Folland, Chris" <chris.follandatXYZxyzoffice.gov.uk>

Chris,
Thanks for this ! Not sure why exactly, but thanks. Printed it off and had a quick
look. Odd ideas all round. You will obviously point out the omission of all the SST
(or NMAT) data !!!
The TC ideas seem most odd. Also the time series of TCs doesn't look right either.
I will read the paper at some stage. TCs affecting radiative forcing is novel -
unbelievable !
Let me know how the meeting goes. I've heard it is difficult to get a word in edgeways
with Illarinov. None of the usual Russians on the author list, nor any of their
references.
Not seen the presumably WMO book from 1964.
If the paper does come out will need to send on to a few people if we are to address
in Ch 3. So try and find out if they propose submitting it somewhere. No rush though
as nothing will happen now till late April on the chapter.
Have fun at the meeting - fun isn't the right word, but can't think of better one !
Cheers
Phil
At 17:25 31/01/2005, you wrote:

Phil

Thanks. We are doing some back of the envelope calculations to convince Illarionov et al
(chief economics adviser to Putin and very anti Kyoto) that their very odd paper
submitted to the Dangerous Anthropogenic Change Conference but not accepted - only
because its not a topic for discussion - is out by an order of magnitude. He claims we
do not know global temp even in 2004 to better than +-0.7C so we don't know the trend.
David Warrilow is setting up a meeting it seems with several of us. Has some even
stranger ideas later in the paper.

Attached. Please DO NOT PASS ON TO ANYONE AT THIS STAGE.
Chris


Professor Chris Folland
Head of Climate Variability Research
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Also: Hon. Professor of School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Jones [[3]mailto:p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk]
Sent: 31 January 2005 16:47
To: Folland, Chris
Subject: Re: DEGREES OF FREEDOM
Chris,
It depends on the timescale - although there isn't too much difference between
the interannual and the decadal. The number is nearer 20 than 60. 60 was
nearer the mark for seasonal and over a 100 for monthly.
I've not looked at that paper for ages.
Cheers
Phil
At 16:13 31/01/2005, you wrote:

Phil
Can you clarify the number of spatial degrees of freedom annually in global. A quick
look at your paper in 1997 suggests 20 not 60.
Chris
Professor Chris Folland
Head of Climate Variability Research
Global climate data sets are available from [4]http://www.hadobs.org
Met Office, Hadley Centre, Fitzroy Rd, Exeter, Devon, EX1 3PB United Kingdom
Email: chris.follandatXYZxyzoffice.gov.uk
Tel: +44 (0)1392 886646
Fax: (in UK) 0870 900 5050
(International) +44 (0)113 336 1072) [5]http://www.metoffice.[6]gov.uk
Also: Hon. Professor of School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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