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date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:39:13 -0400 (EDT)
from: Alan Robock <robockatXYZxyzsci.rutgers.edu>
subject: Re: AGU and Dr. P. Jones (fwd)
to: Phil Jones <P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>

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Dear Phil,

I was there once - flew there from Birmingham after the IUGG meeting and
then took the ferry to France - half the price for the flight at the
time as compared to flying to France, and Sherri met me and we went to
the museum, seeing where the Germans hid in the caves. It was very
interesting. Did you take the ship to St. Malo and have a nice meal?

Alan

Alan Robock, Professor II
Director, Meteorology Undergraduate Program
Associate Director, Center for Environmental Prediction
Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-732-932-9800 x6222
Rutgers University Fax: +1-732-932-8644
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New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock


On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk wrote:

> Alan,
> Good decision from old Jersey!
> Credit crunch means there are lots of Jersey's for
> sale and Guernsey's. s Guernsey of further west and
> windier they might be better for winters in Norwich.
>
> Great museum here of the occupation - never been before
> even though I've been here a few times.
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
>> Dear Phil,
>>
>> We're always on holiday here in Jersey!
>>
>> Since the letter was to me, I have decided, with the concurrence of
>> others at AGU, to ignore it and not reply.
>>
>> You, Mike Mann, and Ben Santer should form a club.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Alan Robock, Professor II
>> Director, Meteorology Undergraduate Program
>> Associate Director, Center for Environmental Prediction
>> Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-732-932-9800 x6222
>> Rutgers University Fax: +1-732-932-8644
>> 14 College Farm Road E-mail: robockatXYZxyzsci.rutgers.edu
>> New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>>> Alan,> Dear Tim,
>>> On holiday in Jersey. Have found a wifi connection
>>> unfortuntely?
>>> Will get back to you when back at UEA.
>>> Getting fed up with all these skeptics.
>>> You've only seen the tip of the iceberg!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is part of a coordinated attack by global warming deniers on Phil
>>>> and other climate scientists. To get a flavor of it, see the recent
>>>> article in Nature at
>>>> <http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090812/full/460787a.html>, reproduced
>>>> below.
>>>>
>>>> Since the writer is not a member of AGU, I recommend that we just
>>>> ignore
>>>> the letter, so it doesn't waste any more of our time as well as Phil's.
>>>> If he wants to submit it to EOS, he should use the formal process and
>>>> not expect us to do it for him.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> Alan Robock, Professor II
>>>> Director, Meteorology Undergraduate Program
>>>> Associate Director, Center for Environmental Prediction
>>>> Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-732-932-9800
>>>> x6222
>>>> Rutgers University Fax:
>>>> +1-732-932-8644
>>>> 14 College Farm Road E-mail:
>>>> robockatXYZxyzsci.rutgers.edu
>>>> New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA
>>>> http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:03:46 +0100
>>>> From: Rupert Wyndham <rupertwyndhamatXYZxyzglemail.com>
>>>> To: robock@envsci.rutgers.edu, tlgroveatXYZxyz.edu
>>>> Subject: AGU and Dr. P. Jones
>>>>
>>>> Gentlemen
>>>>
>>>> Please be advised that the letter attached has today been airmailed to
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Yours truly
>>>>
>>>> RCE Wyndham
>>>>
>>>> --------------------
>>>> Published online 12 August 2009 | Nature 460, 787 (2009) |
>>>> doi:10.1038/460787a
>>>>
>>>> Nature News
>>>>
>>>> Climate data spat intensifies
>>>>
>>>> Growing demands for access to information swamp scientist.
>>>>
>>>> Olive Heffernan
>>>>
>>>> A leading UK climatologist is being inundated by
>>>> freedom-of-information-act requests to make raw climate data publicly
>>>> available, leading to a renewed row over data access.
>>>>
>>>> Since 2002, Steve McIntyre, the editor of Climate Audit, a blog that
>>>> investigates the statistical methods used in climate science, has
>>>> repeatedly asked Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit
>>>> (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, UK, for access to monthly
>>>> global
>>>> surface temperature data held by the institute. But in recent weeks,
>>>> Jones has been swamped by a sudden surge in demands for data.
>>>>
>>>> Several organizations worldwide collect and report global average
>>>> temperature data for each month. Of these, a temperature data set held
>>>> jointly by CRU and the UK Met Office's Hadley Centre in Exeter, known
>>>> as
>>>> HadCRU, extends back the farthest, beginning in 1850. Although these
>>>> data are made available in a processed format that shows the global
>>>> trend, access to the raw data is restricted to academics.
>>>>
>>>> Between 24 July and 29 July of this year, CRU received 58
>>>> freedom-of-information-act requests from McIntyre and people affiliated
>>>> with Climate Audit, requesting access to the data or information about
>>>> their use. In the past month, the UK Met Office, which receives a
>>>> cleaned-up version of the raw data from CRU, has received ten requests
>>>> of its own.
>>>>
>>>> McIntyre, based in Toronto, Ontario, is best known for questioning the
>>>> validity of the statistical analyses used to reconstruct the past 1,000
>>>> years of climate, but has more recently turned his attention to
>>>> criticizing the quality of global temperature records. Jones concedes
>>>> that raw climate data have imperfections � such as duplication of
>>>> stations � but says that such minor errors would not alter the overall
>>>> global temperature trend. McIntyre insists that he is not interested in
>>>> challenging the science of climate change or in nit-picking, but is
>>>> simply asking that the data be made available. "The only policy I want
>>>> people to change is their data-access policy," he says.
>>>>
>>>> Jones says he can't fulfil the requests because of confidentiality
>>>> agreements signed in the 1990s with some nations, including Spain,
>>>> Germany, Bahrain and Norway, that restrict the data to academic use. In
>>>> some cases, says Jones, the agreements were made verbally, and in
>>>> others
>>>> the written records were mislaid during a move.
>>>>
>>>> He says he is now working to make the data publicly available online.
>>>> As
>>>> Nature went to press, Jones was expected to post a statement on the CRU
>>>> website to that effect, including any existing confidentiality
>>>> agreements. Jones says any such data release "needs to be done in a
>>>> systematic way".
>>>>
>>>> "We're trying to make them all available," says Jones. "We're
>>>> consulting
>>>> with all the meteorological services � about 150 members [of the World
>>>> Meteorological Organization] � and will ask them if they are happy to
>>>> release the data." A spokesperson for the Met Office confirmed this,
>>>> saying "we are happy for CRU to take the lead on this, as they are
>>>> their
>>>> data".
>>>>
>>>> But getting the all-clear from other nations won't be without its
>>>> challenges, says Jones, who estimates that it could take several
>>>> months.
>>>> In addition, some nations may object if they make money by selling
>>>> their
>>>> wind, sunshine and precipitation data.
>>>>
>>>> The dispute is likely to continue for some time. McIntyre is especially
>>>> aggrieved that Peter Webster, a hurricane expert at the Georgia
>>>> Institute of Technology in Atlanta, was recently provided with data
>>>> that
>>>> had been refused to him.
>>>>
>>>> Webster says his team was given the station data for a very specific
>>>> request that will result in a joint publication with Jones. "Reasonable
>>>> requests should be fulfilled because making data available advances
>>>> science," says Webster, "but it has to be an authentic request because
>>>> otherwise you'd be swamped."
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, Jones says he has become "markedly less responsive to the
>>>> public
>>>> over the past few years as a result of this".
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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